Baroness Tonge/Palestine Telegraph

Whilst we appreciate your comments, you are still "flogging the same old dead horse"!
BJT's descision was motivated by e-mails I and no doubt many others fired off first thing this morning both to her and Nick Clegg.
So,, to tonight "The Debate" a large part devoted to Foreign Affairs, we will be watching and listening intently to what your "Blair impersonator super/TV star Nicky Cl-Egg has to say!!

Duke didn't "post" it.

The editors of the Palestine Telegraph included it in their newspaper (which is online).

http://www.paltelegraph.com/about-palestine-telegraph/board-of-patrons

Tonge has indeed been removed from the Patrons' list.

Lol... Jon, you think Clegg is a Blair impersonator yet you have no problem with Cameron...

I am literally ROFL, to coin the old web 1.0 phrase

Well done Jenny, and with the election just around the corner it certainly doesn't pay to have your party associated with an antisemitic publication that sees fit to publish a video produced by an advocate for the KKK.I wonder which one of Cleggs attack dogs got hold of her.

No matter . She can renew her subscription once the election is over.

Matthew, you're a good guy but spend your enire political life defending your party's constant faux pas about Israel and Jews.

Thank you, Richard, but I think that a glance at my campaign website shows that I spend some of my time doing other things as well: http://matthew4hendon.blogspot.com/

"Get real!" (to coin a phrase).
Dollars to doughnuts Janny Tongue resigned because David Duke is a white supremacist, who denigrates black people.
On Israel she herself hasn't changed her spots.
The Lib Dems are still toxic, as Clegg's preposterous "defence" policy showed last night.

Sorry - Jenny. I see they've removed the "edit" option on here, which was certainly a mixed blessing!

"but I think that a glance at my campaign website shows that I spend some of my time doing other things as well"

Oy, vat a macher, and such a punim! I bet your mom/wife/partner/children/grandchildren are very proud. We, on the other hand, are somewhat less than impressed.

It must be awfully frustrating for you all there typing away there furiously with all this rubbish about Jenny being anti semitic. how many times do I have to repeat this. She isn't. She just hates what israel is doing in the West Bank, as do many of us.

Eisner

I don' seem to recall Tonge expressing similar hatred for what Palestinian homicidal maniacs were doing to Israelis during the Intifada.

In fact the only thing I recall is that she said that she would think of becoming a bomber if she lived in the Palestinian territories [presumably to kill Jews living in Israel].

It must be more frustrating for you, Tom, acting as her apologist when few are convinced by your assurances.
And frustrating for Matthew, of course, trying desperately to whitewash the yellow party!
(Incidentally, has anybody seen my old friend Moshe?)

"The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the western world, its financial grips. I think they've probably got a grip on our party."

@Eisner

If you defend this Tonge statement as not antisemitic then presumably you would also say that this is not antisemitic:

http://ddickerson.igc.org/The_Protocols_of_the_Learned_Elders_of_Zion.pd...

Or tell us the difference.

More from Douglas Murray on the "Blair impersonator" Nick CL-Egg and his view of BJT

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglasmurray/100035586/nick-clegg-doe...

I am afraid Matthew you are onto a losing wicket here. You should think about moving over to The Conservatives as they are the only party in this election that supports the UK Jewish Community will not sell out Israel in the International arena.

Jonathan and Yvetta, i am a card carrying member of the Jewish race. Now if Jenny were to be antisemitic she wouldn't have much time time for me would she? I don't mean or wish to insult you both but the fact is that she is in The House of Lords with a huge profile with considerably more
people listening to her than to you.

Harvey, and what the Israelis doing to the Palestinians in the Intifadas?

Eisner

There are plenty of card carrying members of the Jewish race . Gilad Atzmon for one ,much to his chagrin

I'm yet to recover from the remark about Tonge being in the House of Lords as if that proves anything .
You are correct regarding her huge profile though. Unfortunately most of it is quite appalling and a source of considerable and continuing embarrassment to the LIb Dems .

Ok so are you happy about apartheid in the west bank, the way that the Palestinians have to use seperate roads to the settlers, people who have their houses demolished and people who die qt checkpoints because they cant get to the hospitals, then what about all the tunneling undee the Mosques in Jerusalem which will make the buildings collapse. Are you happy with this?

@eisner

Oh I see!

Silly me!

Tonge cannot possibly be an antisemite because she is a Baronness in the House of Lords and (according to you) she "has a huge profile".

Well that's me checkmated then ....

The message that you don't seem to understand Tomeisner is that if people want to sympathize with Palestinians then that is fine but EVERYONE deserves to live in peace in Israel including Israelis. If Tongue wants to support Palestinians then that is her choice but she should also respect Israeli's human rights to live in peace which she does not mention at all because she does not believe that Israelis have human rights.

tomeisner says "Now if Jenny were to be antisemitic she wouldn't have much time time for me would she?" Using this logic the BNP can't be racist at all and must be promoting diversity.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/politics/article-23826526-bnps-ni...

"Despite this, Mr Griffin was canvassing on the streets of Barking with a black pastor at his side. He claims the Rev James Gitau, who joined the far-Right party after it was forced to change its constitution to allow non-white members, proves it is no longer racist.". Will you be telling people that the BNP can't be racist and support diversity because they have the support of a black pastor?

Lanne, forget Jenny for a few seconds and please concentrate on what is actually more important. Israel is occupying the west bank for no other reason than to make life difficult for the Palestinians. Strategically they don't need to be there. I have been there and seen how the "settlers" are allowed to drive on the smartest newly built roads whereas the Palestinians have to make do with overcrowded dirt tracks.People die, yes die at frequently at checkpoints because they haven't applied for a permit to travel in advance. Of course my friend's father didn't know he was going to have a heartache, but the authorities there don't care.That is surely apartheid isn't it? Have you been to Ramallah, Hebron or Nablus recently? Have any of you Zionists been there recently and seen with your own eyes what is going on? If not maybe you should- It is not good.

tomeisner2
"Have any of you Zionists" tomeisner 2 uses this as an accusatory term.
For the benefit of your education tomesiner2, a Zionist is simply a Jew who believes in the right of the Jews to The Jewish Homeland- Israel.
If you are Jewish you obviously do not believe in this, so therefore your views are not suited to the Jewish Chronicle, you would be better off blogging an commenting on the Guardian web site where your views would be welcomed.

The post is titled 'Baroness Tonge/Palestine Telegraph so the focus of this post will be of her and her views. I would expect any politician who supports Palestinians and is not anti Semitic to understand that Jewish people have a right to a homeland- this is for the security and protection of Jewish people. I would expect them to understand that the Israeli's are also suffering and Jewish people suffering from terrorism should not be ignored because anyone who really believes in human rights must recognize that rights apply to everyone, not only Palestinians. Supporting the rights of only one group of people and ignoring the rights of another group due to their religion, because they are Jewish is considered anti Semitic.

Yes but have any of you been to Ramallah, Hebron, Nabluis recently and seen what is going on. The Palestinians have to drive on separate roads to the Settlers.
How would you like it if you were told that you were no longer allowed to drive on the North Circular.
This is apartheid in action and has nothing to do with security.

grow up tomeisner2
Every terrorist in the world today is a moslem of some sort - (that is not to say that every moslem is a terrorist).
It is for the security of the Jews living in Israel that Arabs have to drive throught with different index plates on the cars and on different roads.
That is called security. The decrease in suicide bombs in Israel is down to the security and control measures in place today, the wall, the roads, the increased checkpoints - when was the last suicide bombing in Israel? exactly you can't remember, that is due to these controls.

24 April, 2010 - 09:46

grow up tomeisner2
Every terrorist in the world today is a moslem of some sort, grow up Jon Cohen this is a stupid racist remark. what about the Hagana in 1947-48 and all the innocent people they killed! these were Jewish terrorists. What about Israeli state terrorism in Gaza?

If you were to actually visit the area ,which you clearly haven't and therefore do not know what you are talking about you would realise that Israel's security has nothing to do with maintaining 500.000 illegal settlers in the Palestinian west bank. Life is made intolerable for the Palestinians in this area unnecessarily.

Referring to suicide bombs if an Israeli soldier were to kill your best friend how would you react?

"People die, yes die at frequently at checkpoints because they haven't applied for a permit to travel in advance." It is the responsibility of everyone to find out all travel requirements and what security procedures are in place before traveling. There must always be security procedures in place to prevent more deaths.

Your friend's father should have taken responsibility for himself and found out what the security procedures where.

"Your friend's father should have taken responsibility for himself and found out what the security procedures where"

He had a heart attack so there was no time and is now dead.

tomeisner2 is clearly mistaken and has no knowledge of history or the current situation and is just reading from George Galloways story book..
The Hagannah was the Jewish military at the time of Israels war of independance, they fought to remove the British and attacked military targets.
It is Hamas now that run Gaza, it is Hamas that is a (moslem) terrorist organisation, Israel does not occupy Gaza, you have obviously forgotten that Israel evacuated Gaza and gave it back to the Palestinians.
The West Bank is not "Palestinian" it is made up of Judea and Samaria, part of the land of Israel that was freed from Jordanian occupation after the 1967 war, there is nothing illegal about Jewish settlers living in this area - the illegality is another of those myths that you "lefties" try to perpetuate.
The Palestinian Arabs are allowed to live in this area as long as they abide by the rules, if they do not have the right to live there they will be deported, if they pose a security risk, appropriate measures wil be taken to ensure the security of the Jewish population.
As for the rest of your comments, Lanne has answered you.

have you been to Ramallah, Hebron recently. If you haven't you shouldn't comment on the reality

I don't know why I bother wasting my time replying to you all. At the end of the day all you care about are the Jews. The Palestinians as far as you are concerned are some sort of Untermensch. Am I not right? The trouble is that you have never met any have you?

Tom writes: "Jonathan and Yvetta, i am a card carrying member of the Jewish race. [Race, Tom? Are you absolutely comfortable with that term, post-Holocaust?] Now if Jenny were to be antisemitic she wouldn't have much time time for me would she? [With your views, you're her manna from heaven!] I don't mean or wish to insult you both but the fact is that she is in The House of Lords [doh!!!] with a huge profile [bigger than Katie Price's? LOL] with considerably more
people listening to her than to you [I rather fancy that that's the whole point, she reaches a large audience with her smears and allegations agianst Jews and Israel]".

Yvetta please go to the West Bank ( and come back) and see the truth for yourself. You haven't been there recently have you?

Exactly tomeisner2, you've finally got it - we care about the Jews!
That is why we are Jews blogging on the Jewish Chronicle web site.
If you want to support the Palestinians then go and blogg on the Guardian web site.

And you loathe the Palestinians don't you?