Another Israeli obstacle to peace

Another witless antisemitic comment by a witless antisemitic poster.
Any major change in sovereignty should be put to a referendum, because sovereignty resides in the people as a whole, not in their employees and agents.
The fact that this has been forgotten in Britain, and the traitors at Westminster have been giving away our sovereignty without asking us (and lying about it morning, noon and night), and do look it up, if you can read: this is covered in the statute book as treason; is not reason for Israel to go down the same route.
Back to the Teletubbies, spam.

tspam, you finally made it to JCWatch. Take a gander ...

In democracies, Yoni, governments are elected by the people to take tough decisions, not to have the decisions thrown back at them if they prove too tough for the government. Got that, Dipsy? or are you La-La?

Avraham, you and your other criminally undermedicated mates can wrote what you want. May the Ayatollah Ovadiah and your rapturous pastor Hagee take pity on your soul.

No, unlike you I understand the concepts of sovereignty and democracy - AND have an IQ above room temperature.

Israel TV just announced: that law passed its 3rd Knesset reading with a vote of 65 in favour, 33 against. Of course, tspam wouldn't dream of accepting a majority decision if he didn't like it.

You also have a self-regard bigger than the QE2. Governments in democracies are elected to take tough decisions, not to pass the buck back.

You also have a self-regard bigger than the QE2. Governments in democracies are elected to take tough decisions, not to pass the buck back.

The Knesset is just a rubber stamp for a government that cannot take decisions because it is too scared of angering the friends of Yigal Amir.

That is, Avraham, people like you.

yeah, spam, read JCWatch and weep ...

Hey, tspam, I live in glorious Jerusalem, capital of the State of Israel, in the middle of November wearing sandals with no socks, I just traded my old Toyota Corolla for a new one, which now has USB and AUX connections so I can connect my iPod and hear old Tony Hancock programs when I'm driving thru wonderful Israel, unless a phone call interrupts me via the car's Bluetooth connection.

It's a great time to live in Israel, and the thought of anti-Semites like yourself - and schoolkids like jose - going crazy about a country 3,000 miles away fom them - puts a smile on my face every morning, and it stays there all day.

It's called democracy, tspam. No wonder you don't like it.

Excellent news!

Reiss, you talk big but not very deep down you are scared, weak and damaged. So you drive a new Corolla. Big deal. I've got a new Saab, but I mainly use a Kawasaki motorbike. It gets me around town quicker.

And, Avraham, if you think another warm, dry winter is good for Israel, then you are further gone than anyone could imagine.

Democracy at its best, like in Israel, is abhorent to antisemitic supporters of Syria and 'Palestinians'.
They clearly show that they consider "people" as an "enemy", at best "irresponsible", that must be under dictatorship "for their own good".

For the moment, tspam is the only one who dared state his support for dictatorship. Another volunteer among the antisemites?

"Reiss, you talk big but not very deep down you are scared, weak and damaged. So you drive a new Corolla. Big deal. I've got a new Saab, but I mainly use a Kawasaki motorbike. It gets me around town quicker."

Good. Use it as much as possible. I wish you a speedy accident. The sooner the better.

As for the Saab, nobody believes anything you say - produce a scan of the ownership papers.

"Reiss, you talk big but not very deep down you are scared, weak and damaged."

HA! HA! HA!

It seems very reasonable that constitutional changes and transfers of sovereignty should be put to a referendum.

Smart move.

Reiss, in your plastic fantastic Japanese box, I hope you fall asleep at Motza and wake up in Hadassah

No one owes you anything, Reiss, not even your Ayatolleh Ovadia.

Matt, the Israeli government is just looking for a way to duck the tough decisions for which it was elected. Israel has no sovereignty over the Golan and East Jerusalem, except in its own eyes.

Tspam believes that "tough decisions" should be taken against the will of the people who elected their government to do exactly the opposite.
Tspam had a queer notion of democracy!

No, José. In a democracy, a people elects its leaders on the basis of what they stand for. Sometimes, when they get to stand on the bridge of the ship of state, the conditions they thought were there when they were shouting their oppositional rhetoric are not there. They have to deal with the situation as it is, rather than how they would like it to be.
That is why leaders get paid the big bucks to take the tough decisions. Might as well not have an elected government if every tough decision is passed back to the people to decide.

The only people helping Hamas here are the Israeli-can-do-no-wrong groupies with their splenetic utterances.

wow Sam, this story has made you completely irrational and neurotic. It's very entertaining to read your posts, its just a shame your spelling had to suffer so dramatically.

Referendums are a form of Direct Democracy so whatever the final outcome, at least we know the decision was made according to the will of the people.

A referendum has been used by several countries. The UK has had one on remaining in the EU, and EU member states have had them even more recently regarding the EU constitution. It's a sign of a vibrant democracy. I know this does not fit in with your ideal scenario of a dictatorship working alongside Sharia law, but it will have to do.

A representative democracy is one in which the electorate elect representatives to take decisions on their behalf. Surely there are other laws passed and decisions taken by Knesset that impact on sovereignty and therefore should these decisions also be put to referendums. Why only peace deals?

What bothers me about referendums in general - using the recent examples in the UK (London Mayor referendum and the other referendums on regional representation)is that they are often used by politicians when they do not wish to be held responsible for their actions. One could argue in this case that a peace deal should be a decision for the people of Israel because it will impact on all of them. However this brings me to my second reservation on referendums in general. The way the question is posed is often too simplistic for the issue at hand and the question posed is often phrased in such a way as to be biased at the start.

What happens if the majority of the population agree with 95% of a peace deal but it doesn't succeed at referendum because of one section which is seemingly unacceptable? What is a valid decision? If only 30% of the electorate vote in a referendum is their decision valid? If there is even a 70% turnout is that valid for something as crucial as a peace deal?

Yes representative democracy is flawed but passing major decisions back to the electorate in the form of referendums is more flawed. Politicians are elected to take tough decisions on behalf of those they represent and they should do their job.

I'd like to know whether TheBrit and Telegramsam think Britain should have had a referendum before agreeing to the Lisbon Treaty.

If no, why not?

If yes, why do you apply double standards to Israel?

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