Another billet-doux from the Camel Corps (Retd)


By Jonathan Hoffman
December 20, 2009
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http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/miles-vile-bile

The first one came from Oliver Miles - formerly our man in Tripoli - disingenously suggesting that the soi-disants (not him of course, oh no!) might question the impartiality of the two Jewish historians on the Iraq Inquiry.

Now comes the flanking move from Sir Alistair Hunter, formerly our Consul in New York and not an obvious Arabist, writing this letter to the Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article6962060.ece

"Anti-Israel is different from anti-Semitic" says Hunter, in response to George Walden's observation that the arrest warrant for Livni was part of the 'climate of creeping antisemitism' in the UK.

Really? Then (as John Mann MP said in Jerusalem earlier this week) why has Daniel Machover not issued an arrest warrant for Claire Short, who was a member of the Cabinet that decided to invade Iraq? Treating Israelis differently from other nationalities is of course antisemitic, see EUMC Definition.

"There is, happily, little anti-Semitism in Britain compared with the 1930s" says Sir Alistair. The fact is that there were more antisemitic incidents in the first six months of 2009 than in any year since CST began to collect the data in 1984. But by Sir Alistair's metric - the years preceding the Holocaust - everything is dandy (so those uppity Jews should stop complaining....) Would he tell blacks in the US not to voice concern about racist incidents because things are better than they were in the 1950s, I wonder?

Finally we get to the nub of Sir Alistair's argument: "It has been necessary to make such distinction [between anti-Israel and antisemitic] at least since 1919, when the first Zionists arriving in Palestine to look for a homeland angered, by their arrogance, the Jews who had lived in Jerusalem for centuries under the Ottomans, guarding the holy sites."

Aha ... that is what upsets our friend. Instead of being well-behaved and guarding holy sites at the bequest of their Arab masters, those uppity ("arrogant") Jews had the temerity to buy land, emboldened perhaps by the Balfour Declaration.

Jews should know their place shouldn't they, Sir Alistair and Mr Miles. Next thing we know, they will be wanting to be Ambassadors!

Whoops ....

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moshetzarfati2

20 December, 2009 - 14:59

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By conflating anti-Israel policies and anti-Semitism, you are belittling the struggle against the latter. Also, as for your closing jibe, it's a bit daft since the next ambassador to Israel is...Jewish.


Jonathan Hoffman

20 December, 2009 - 15:01

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That's the point, you dozy old troll


moshetzarfati2

20 December, 2009 - 15:07

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No it isn't. You only worked that one out after I pointed it out to you. It hadn't occurred to you before. You are a great help to the anti-Zionists. They love you.


moshetzarfati2

20 December, 2009 - 15:10

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More bullying from Hoffman instead of having a relevant answer. Oh the paucity of ideas these professionals have.


Jonathan Hoffman

20 December, 2009 - 15:12

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I caught him out! Watch him squirm!

(But don't feed him....)


moshetzarfati2

20 December, 2009 - 15:29

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I think you'll find that it was you who were trapped LBW -- with the whoops added as an afterthought. Nice try, no cigar.


moshetzarfati2

20 December, 2009 - 15:31

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But still the same old bullying continues despite everything.


Yvetta

20 December, 2009 - 16:55

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I beg to differ, Moshe. Reference to the next ambassador was obviously Jonathan's point. I wonder what joy, if any, for Israel's friends will flow from that appointment.


Jonathan Hoffman

20 December, 2009 - 17:21

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Back to Troll School I think


moshetzarfati2

20 December, 2009 - 18:31

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I see the Giyyus is in progress. Shame they didn't notice the bully's ommission of his alleged point-maker. I'm glad I had the opportunity to point it out to him (and to show him up as well).


Jonathan Hoffman

20 December, 2009 - 18:52

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I caught the Troll out being dimwitted. All he knows in response is ad hominem insults. No wonder he is ashamed to post under his real name.


moshetzarfati2

20 December, 2009 - 20:03

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Moshe Tzarfati is my name. And if I hadn't pointed out to you that you missed your point-maker, whoops, you'd would never have noticed. And what do I get? Bully-boy tactics and ad hominem attacks. Typical of a Yisrael Beteinu-supporting bigot.


Jonathan Hoffman

21 December, 2009 - 12:28

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Miles does not have a Knighthood, I will correct the piece later.


DLeigh-Ellis

21 December, 2009 - 14:54

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Hoffman, you need to wash your mouth out... Even if you disagree with somebody there is no reason to call them a troll, and furthermore to call them dozy...

Please stop your petty vendettas against all those who disagree with you, please choose to engage in debate rather than dragging down the process.

Otherwise I will take up the issue with the JC moderators.


Jonathan Hoffman

21 December, 2009 - 15:17

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The Troll has summoned the lynch-mob.

"The JC Moderators!" - I am trembling with fear...


DLeigh-Ellis

21 December, 2009 - 15:24

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well, just do it out of courtesy then...

or is that a word you dont remember...

What I said was not a threat, it was a (stern) request... You have your own choice whether to listen or not, however if you choose to keep this facade of idiocy alive, please keep it away from my blogs.


DLeigh-Ellis

21 December, 2009 - 15:30

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btw, i was not 'summoned!' Except by Hoffmans own comments!

Also, you say you are not scared by the JC moderators... But i think you'd miss having this little outlet for all your anger... I wouldnt want you to have your account closed and then go and do something stupid because of all the pent-up rage...


Jonathan Hoffman

21 December, 2009 - 16:18

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"my blogs"!

Have you told the Kessler Foundation?


Jon_i_Cohen

21 December, 2009 - 16:34

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Moderators? the JC does not bother with that process;
why else would they allow:-
-Moshe is a fatty too
-Curse your G-d (iainlrabbak)
and
-Gordon Bennet or is it Bennet to blogg on this web site.
Those of you who are Jewish; "anti-zionism is simply the trendy,pc, sandal wearing,climate change advocating Guardian readers "new" word for anti-semitism.
It is an excuse for one and the same thing, anti-zionism is most definately the same as anti-semitism.
Any Jew who thinks otherwise is being naive in the extreme and falling for the "leftist" propoganda .
Get real readers!"


DLeigh-Ellis

21 December, 2009 - 16:48

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Step out of your bubble Cohen... before somebody pops it for you.

@ Hoffman, yes, 'my' blogs... as in the ones that I write, you'll notice the difference to yours in their optimism, and the fact that they are written, not pasted..


Jonathan Hoffman

21 December, 2009 - 18:57

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er ... pasted? Which ones in particular?

Your prejudices showing through again? Surely not.....

'Optimism'? Are you one of those guys who writes to the BBC to complain that the news is too gloomy?

I write a fair bit about antisemitism in the UK in 2009. There happens to be quite a bit of it about and it possibly should concern the readers of a blog like this.

Sorry that's not optimistic enough for you.

Don't shoot the messenger.

I could write a million pieces about the amazing science in Israel. Do you know they invented a computer mouse with Braille pads on it, for the blind?

But at the risk of depressing you even more, I'll leave that to others....


Jon_i_Cohen

22 December, 2009 - 12:09

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DLeigh-Ellis
Just the sort of left-wing anti- Jewish Jew we are trying to get through to.
People like you trying to be so "liberal" are causing the Jewish community so much trouble, instead of time spent dealing with the hard core politicos out there, we have to waste time trying to educate people like you.
Why do you want to be an apologist for the anti-semites?
Or is it that you think they are misunderstood and don't really mean it?


DLeigh-Ellis

22 December, 2009 - 17:37

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Jon I Cohen, You have no right to call me anti-jewish. If you want to meet up in person you would be welcome to stay for shabbos and we could discuss it further.

I hate to break it to you but Judaism is liberal, and adheres to many socialist principles if you go back to the Torah itself. Please dont waste any more of your time trying to 'educate' me.... Because as you say it is wasted...

I am no apologist for the anti-semites.... And I have never claimed to stand in their favour.

Hoffman, I dont see the point you are making... But thats cool, im not going to bother you any more (unless you say something really absurd.) The pasting comment referred to your shouts of troll, less so towards your actual articles.

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