Another attack on converts


By Simon Rocker
March 8, 2010
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As if there were not enough controversy over conversions already, here is yet another way to make converts feel like second-class citizens.

Ha’aretz reports on a Knesset bill being proposed by David Rotem, MK for the Yisrael Beteinu.

“The bill proposes that the Law of Return only be applicable to Jews or their offspring, and not to non-Jews who opted to convert - even if the conversion follows Orthodox procedure in line with state religious courts in Israel,” the newspaper says.

It is “the result of negotiations he held with both Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar and the ultra-Orthodox Shas party. According to this legislation, conversion - even if done in Israel - will be insufficient basis for requesting Israeli citizenship.”

Let's hope the idea is quickly buried.

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Akiva

Mon, 03/08/2010 - 16:04

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Are Ha'aretz accurate on this? I didn't note the above detail on the other news agencies...

Horrible news if true, but MK Rotem is Dati Leumi and wouldn't be so quick to ignore halacha and the teachings of our sages about converts, you'd hope anyway.


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Mon, 03/08/2010 - 16:08

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Yes, Haaretz is accurate. Rotem is a dati leumani member of the fascist Yisrael Beiteinu party and that was his compromise with the fundamentalist Shas and United Torah Judaism parties. Some compromise, eh? Still, true to form, Shas have reneged on the "compromise" because some UTJ rabbis objected.


Akiva

Mon, 03/08/2010 - 16:34

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That certainly seems to be Rotem's spin on it, but there's just something a little strange about it all. Ha'aretz could be just scare-mongering, after all, Yisrael Beiteinu are the party for the Russian olim who have little or nothing to do with Judaism or "Jewishness" at all.

It doesn't even mention this on Ynet and they usually never miss an opportunity.

Oh that and I don't think anyone in Israel, particularly on the right, is stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot so gloriously.


John Gold

Mon, 03/08/2010 - 19:15

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As I had referred to in a previous blog, Israel is slowly becoming religiously (and ethnically) intolerant...
Messianic Jews, that have either converted or are from a line of generations of believers (in Yeshua) - are denied the right of return?
So much for democracy and a modern tolerant country...


Akiva

Mon, 03/08/2010 - 19:21

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John, messianics have nothing to do with this. Theirs is an evangelical christian religion wherein the vast majority of their attendants aren't even Jewish to begin with.

The primary Messianic institution in the UK - The BMJA (British Messianic Jewish Alliance) has "membership of a protestant church" and "belief in the trinity" as requirements for membership. You can dress that up in a kippa and tzitzit but it's still christian and is not even remotely on the radar of the Jewish state while actual Jews remain in galut.


John Gold

Mon, 03/08/2010 - 22:10

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Akiva.

"messianics have nothing to do with this"...

Unfortunately I can't agree with you there. The largest world religion, founded by a Jew, and established by a number of Jews. You may want to ignore this, or dismiss it, but to say it has nothing to do with Israel (or Jewish people) is misguided.

" the vast majority of their attendants aren't even Jewish to begin with"

Not true, some gentiles attend the congregations, but is usually run by Jewish people, with Jewish traditions, and regarding Jewish holidays etc.

"membership of a protestant church" and "belief in the trinity"

It's not just protestants that believe in the trinity, all catholics do too...

Anyhow you're missing the main thought of my argument, which isn't promoting 'messianic Judaism', it is merely another angle reflecting Israel's religious/ ethnic intolerance.

Could you imagine if the UK said (for example to Jewish people that had a grandmother from the UK) sorry we won't allow you to live in the UK because you don't adhere to the 'state religion'?
It's no better than 'stalinism'..
And displays a very old fashioned and dangerous view on control of the people's living within the boundaries of the country.

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