Ahava Vandalised by Brave Human Rights Activists

Jonathan, why is this demo being held on Saturday? Not only does it encourage Shabbat desecration (and your call to "buy" something is worse) but it means many Jews concerned over such things would be unable to attend.

Because that is when the boycott demonstration takes place.

"Jews concerned over such things would be unable to attend". Not true. They can walk there. If Neturei Karta Nutcases can walk from Stamford Hill to Trafalgar Square for an anti-Israel demo on Shabbat, then Israel-supporters can walk from Golders Green to Covent Garden.

But thanks for your concern for those of our brethren incapable of independent thought ...

"Jonathan, why is this demo being held on Saturday?"

No, you are quite right. They should wait until Monday when all the Islamofascists are at home. Better yet, why not Sunday when no-one will be there?

Thanks Jonathan, though your call for people to purchase from the shop is still distressing.

And Joshua, attack mode isn't necessary here buddy.

"And Joshua, attack mode isn't necessary here buddy."

An Auschwitz survivor once told me that many Jews didn't fight back because their rabbis told them that the sky god wouldn't approve. Since then I've decided that you can stuff religion where Jewish survival is concerned.

You're entitled to your opinion, but do try to be a little less abrasive to those on the same side as yourself. Save the attacks for the Ahava-haters and Telegram Sam hiding in the bushes with his camera.

Oh and for the record, by attacking Torah you harm our claim to our homeland and cause division within the Klal.

I didn't realise the demonstrators showed up on Saturday. The very day that ensures the minimal opposition.

Do you know for sure that it was the boycotters wot vandalised ahava? After all the EDL/BNP are equal opportunity offenders and who would put it past them or those who collaborate with them to stir up a little publicity.

Joshua18 thank G-d London isn't Auschwitz and this is not the Second World War. Mr Hoffman whilst as an Israeli posting from Israel (in fact Maale Adumim) I applaud your efforts on behalf of Israel I believe even walking to a demonstration (occasioned by the breaking of Shabbat by the opening of this store on that day)would not be condoned by the the orthodox Rabbinical Authorities check with the Chief Rabbi's office. Neturei Karta are not an example and by quoting them to justify the breaking of Shabbat you only add to reasons why they should be shunned.I have posted on here a number of times. Why do you think these no-goodniks pick Shabbat to demonstrate? Like all anti-israel protests they pick Shabbat so theat either Jews have to break Shabbat to mount a counter-demonstration or most Sabbathy observant Jews will absent themselves. Therefore the shop proprietors should shut the Shop on Shabbat - one of the main effects besides being a Kiddush Hashem would be to force the maniacs and lowlives who demonstrate outside the store to have to come on a day when the Jewish Community in London and elsewhere as a whole could mount a much more effective counter-demonstration. I am sure the Orthodox community will come out in droves on a Sunday to support the Store and buy up all the store's products as they have done in the USA when such situations have occurred.

I see Akiva's point but I believe it's permitted to desecrate Shabbat in order to save a life - and the way I look at it, Israel is fighting for hers.
That's my responsa on the subject :~/

Just sorry I live in the back of beyond.

As reb akiva will no doubt remind us, our rabbis teach us that for mashiach tzidkeinu to come, Jews have to keep but two consecutive shabbatot. And that don't include walking from kehilot koddesh golders green, edgware, woodside park or finchley to Covent garden.
And for joshua's info, covent garden is even more packed on sunday than Saturday.

Yvetta - sorry but stopping a bunch from ruffians from demonstrating outside a store breaking Shabbat would not pass the test of pikuach nefesh. In Israel the store owners would face prosection for breaking the Sabbath trading laws.I very much regret that people do not see how breaking Shabbat has led to our enemies getting a free ride and free publicity not to mention being acquitted of unlawfully disrupting the store from carrying on its lawful business.

Advis3r, a good point well made. One tiny quibble; maaleh adumim isn't in israel, it's in the occupied territories.

Telegramsam - sorry you just don;t get it do you they are liberated territories (from the illegal Jordanian occupation) - the 1922 Mandate for Palestine passed by the League of Nations and ratified when the United Nations organisation was formed designated the land on which I am living as part of the Jewish Homeland not part of any Arab homeland which it never was - read it and weep!

Only people can be liberated, not land. Still, if you want a binational state, who am I to argue with an anti-Zionist? As they say in the classics: machrivayich u'meharsayich mimchah yavo'u -- hamitnachlim (the destroyers will come from within you -- the settlers).

Oh dear descending to petty name calling when the facts do not support your agenda. I note you do not dispute the Mandate for Palestine. Obviously you need to know what a Zionist is if you accuse me of being an anti-Zionist since if you follow that argument you are saying that to preserve Israel's Jewish character we must let a state be formed on land that legally (let alone morally and historically) belongs to the Jewish people for a people that openly calls for our destruction - sorry we don't do suicide one Masada was quite enough. Zionism always recognised that there would be a sizeable non-Jewish population within the borders of a Jewish State read the Declaration of Independence - unlike the Arabs Israel's official policy is not that "the other" should have no place in our State. It is the Arabs who want a Judenrein State. As to your comment that liberation does not apply to land I see so the Allies did not "liberate" Paris in 1944? Judea and Samaria were liberated in 1967 from Jordan who had no right to them in a defensive war - those are the facts.Contrary to the "classics" whatever that may mean in this context the destroyers are those who not only deny their own heritage but also libel those who defend it.

Do you really have to use a word like 'twats' Jonathan - even if you clearly don't like them? No need to be plain vulgar.

When you some to a pro-Ahava demo you earn the right to criticise my language.

Until then you know what you can do

come not some

Adv, I am sorry you were offended by a phrase used by the far right and settlers to describe those with whom they disagree, often violently.
You talk about a non-Jewish minority. All well and good in the 67 borders. However, by holding on to the west bank, israel now controls a non-Jewish majority, and that makes it very easy for the naysayers to claim that israel is an apartheid state. If we want israel to remain the state of the Jewish people, one that most of us can identify with, it has to get rid of the occupied territories, irrespective of this mandate or that (and since when have we cared about the UN?)

Jonathan has anyone been arrested after this outrage?

http://www.cyberguards.com/CyberStalking.html

Don't feed the trolls!

Telegram Sam - If you are a Jew, then you have no right to comment on fear of a Jewish minority in our land. The doors are wide open for all Jews in galut to come home and if they did there wouldn't be ANY demographic issues.

That said, I'm fairly sure you don't care that much for Eretz Yisrael. That and you'd really like to see Judea and Samaria judenrein anyway, wouldn't you?

But Jonathan you know you mustn't use terms like troll. You might get barred and that would be such a shame.

Akiva, au contraire, Jews can live on the west bank if they like under Palestinian rule.
And if israel is the Jewish state or the state of the Jewish people then all Jews - from the kahanists on the far right to the matzpeniks on the far left -- have a right and a duty to comment, even if they live in belgravia, Belgrade or Belfast.

For moshe tsarfaty, sorry telegramsham's benfit, this is a posting from February explaining to those with a 2-digit IQ and a Guardianesque,lefty persuasion, the difference between occupied and liberated; you might care to read it,whether you have the intelligence to understand it, that is another matter.

http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/occupied-shmockupied

I have relatives in Maale Adumim, it is a suburb established in 1975, just 4 miles to the east of Jerusalem with a 34,500 plus population, that is larger than Radlett, Edgware Stanmore, Golders Green etc - it is NOT a settlement.
And, as Advis3r stated above it was established once the land was LIBERATED from the illegal occupation by the Jordanians.

I dunno why you lot are obsessing about this fellow, since looking back - and that ain't easy on this blog - he/she strikes me as being anti-israel and anti-Jewish. I otoh have a huge concern for israel, its future and the community.
Oh and I take the times, the wall street journal and the sun.

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