Adam Ognall takes over at NIF

"We all know NIF has been under attack from extreme nationalists"

Do we know that???

In fact, these "extreme nationalists" look like a wide group of Zionist students to me, representing a number of centre political parties.

But of course, to a Meretz member, name-calling is a normal offense.

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article.php?id=1012

It seems that the NIF is still funding a number of anti-Israel NGOs. While a number of them disappeared from the link, thanks to pressures exerted on them, there is still a lot of work to do until their sponsors can be sure the big money won't be used against Israel and the Jewish people in general.

Good luck to him. Now that the far right of the community has been marginalised in the ZF, UJIA and Board, its members will plumb even further depths of abuse to get themselves noticed.

It seems to me that the ultra-left has been marginalised and that what is remaining of the left is not very brilliant.
But of course, to tsam, all what is not ultra-left is ultr-right, including center left, center right and Likud.

Better learn about NIF from the Zionist students of Im Tirtzu.

http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/42598

The Im Tirtzu students gathered data from NGO-Monitor and other sources and issued their devastating report (which includes 60 pages of tables). According to it, 92 percent of the anti-Israel smears in the Goldstone report came directly from organizations financed by the New Israel Fund.

We can see that all those (the two) who support NIF are also those who find nothing better to criticize than Israel and the real Zionist movement, a liberation movement. No wonder!

Im Tirzu? Aren't they, or didn't they used to be at the time of the report, funded by an antisemitic cleric who believes that Hitler was a Godsend. You couldn't make it up.

"We all know NIF has been under attack from extreme nationalists in Israel and so has Naomi Hazan in her personal capacity as President of NIF ..."

The NIF has a disgusting near-past; it was attacked in Israel NOT by "extreme nationalists" but by practically EVERY ISRAELI, because of the HUGE amount of material it provided as the basis of the infamous Goldstone "Report". Treachery certainly comes to mind.

In addition, the following quoted from elsewhere (Google on a few consecutive words to locate the source) tells of yet another NIF-UK act of treachery and infamy against the State of Israel:

[quote]
NIF-UK’s funding of an Arab organization which published a poster purporting to portray an Israeli soldier grabbing an Arab woman’s breast, and NIF-UK Chairman Nicholas Saphir’s justification of the poster in reply to a JC Reporter’s question: “the poster was pretty aggressive but…”
[unquote]

- that is all NIF's Saphir had to say about a pornographic anti-Sraeli poster funded by HIS NIF!

I love it these people who are so sensitive to anti-semitism that they see it everywhere do not even issue one peep of condemnation when one of the most antisemitic evangelists in history funds one of their hate groups (Im Tirzu).

tspam,
"Im Tirzu? Aren't they, or didn't they used to be at the time of the report, funded by an antisemitic cleric who believes that Hitler was a Godsend. You couldn't make it up."

This is where I show you up and put you down as a DISGUSTING ANTI-SEMITIC LIAR!

You are referring to Reverend John Hagee. I had the honour of shaking his hand here in Jerusalem about two years ago, when he opened a specific charitable building for which - on behalf of his Texas congregation - he had donated half a million dollars. He was accompanied by the local rabbi from his neighbourhood, with whom I conducted a lengthy conversation to ensure that he was fully orthodox and that he fully supported Minister Hagee, who could in no possible way be called an anti-Semite. "antisemitic clerics who believe that Hitler was a Godsend" such as you, tspam, don't donate half a million dollars to Israeli charities.

I wouldn't waste time on you explaining the source of the ridiculous claim that Minister Hagee is "anti-Semitic" - intellectually, you would not understand.

If someone normal here asks me, I will explain.

BUT I SAY OUTRIGHT: AGAIN, YOU ARE A LIAR!
I want to see you bring proof - a transcript! - of Minister Hagee saying something anti-Semitic.

Remember: transcript.

tspam, waiting for transcript: you called Minister Hagee
"one of the most antisemitic evangelists in history" -

I want to see a transcript of that libel.

For dearest Avraham, the man who shook the hands of the antisemite Hagee

Despite Hagee's professed "Christian Zionist" beliefs and public support for the state of Israel, Hagee has made statements that some have interpreted as antisemitic, including blaming the Holocaust on Jews, stating that Adolf Hitler carried out a divine plan to lead Jews to form the modern state of Israel, calling liberal Jews "poisoned" and "spiritually blind," and stating that the preemptive nuclear attack on Iran that he favors will lead to the deaths of most Jews in Israel.
In his book Jerusalem Countdown, Hagee claims that Adolf Hitler was born from a lineage of "accursed, genocidally murderous half-breed Jews." On page 149 in a chapter with the title 'Who Is a Jew?', Hagee writes:
"It was Esau's descendants who produced the half-breed Jews of history who have persecuted and murdered the Jews beyond human comprehension ... Adolf Hitler was a distant descendant of Esau."
Hagee has attributed the persecution of Jews throughout history, implicitly including the Holocaust, to disobedience, thereby attracting accusations of antisemitism:
"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day... Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people."

In another sermon, Hagee blamed American economic problems on the fact that the Federal Reserve System is controlled by "a group of Class A stockholders, including the Rothschilds." In the same series, Hagee further asserted that the Rothschilds, who are Jewish, were part of a wide-ranging conspiracy of "international power brokers based in Europe."

Antisemitism

Hagee blamed American economic problems on the fact that the Federal Reserve System is controlled by "a group of Class A stockholders, including the Rothschilds." In the same series, Hagee further asserted that the Rothschilds, who are Jewish, were part of a wide-ranging conspiracy of "international power brokers based in Europe."

If t'sam/spam/sham had bothered to look at Hagee's web site, amongst other things he will see in a drop down menu a section on "Why Christians MUST support Israel"

http://www.jhm.org/ME2/Sites/dirmod.asp?sid=&type=gen&mod=Core+Pages&gid...

And here is another advocating the planting of trees IN Israel

https://www.jhm.org/ME2/Sites/dirmod.asp?sid=&type=forms&mod=Smart+Forms...

Why all this wondeful support of he is an anti-semite?

Avraham, the more rubbish you see posted by t'spam/sham, the more you have to think he /she is just a stooge planted to provoke.

Not only is he an antisemite, he's a loon in the same category as David Icke

Hagee's Ministries have collected over $48 million to support Israel and Jewish causes - hardly the act of an anti-semite?

tsam/spam/sham obviously has his/her wires crossed and is confusing this philanthropist with someone else.

Anyone who says Hitler was a Godsend is an antisemite. He is in the same league as those who excuse the Nazi dictator. And he is giving the money only to support his apocalyptic vision of the "rapture"--even if it means igniting it himself. And any Jew who accepts money from people like that is very sick indeed.

If t'sam/spam/sham is referring to "Im Tirtzu", this is Centre Right Party NOT an extreme right party

The are its principles:

1. The Renewal of Political Zionism: focusing on consciousness as the creator and generator of existence. Im Tirtzu believes that the national will and faith in the justice and righteousness of the Zionist enterprise are the most important assets of the Jewish people and the State of Israel, assets that have gradually eroded in recent years. Therefore, Im Tirtzu focuses its activities mainly on the level of awareness and promotes a resolute values-based Zionist advocacy on various Israeli university campuses in particular and within the broader Israeli public, in general. We regard the younger generation, and especially the university student population, as key to the future of the Jewish people and the State of Israel, and we believe it is the duty and responsibility of this community to lead Israeli society.

2. Responding to Post Zionist and Anti-Zionist expressions on campuses in particular and within the broader Israeli public. Regrettably, in recent years, anti-Zionist trends have been proliferating in Israeli universities, which have gradually displaced, marginalized and excluded the Zionist discourse, preventing Zionists from making their voices heard. For the past three years, Im Tirtzu has been the only entity that has responded against the spread of post-Zionist and anti-Zionist currents among the faculty and student body in Israeli universities.
This proliferation of post-Zionist trends is not unique to the universities. The Israeli public discourse as reflected in the media and in politics and culture has for a long time been characterized by a sense of loss of both purpose and values. Regrettably, Israel's difficult circumstances on the international arena stem mainly from activities of Israeli organizations and persons who have spearheaded anti-Israeli propaganda. Im Tirtzu is currently the main entity that provides a response to the mudslinging, the lies and the incitement against Israel that is being waged within Israel itself.

3. A Centrist Political Movement
Im Tirtzu was established as a centrist movement in order to consolidate a new ideological axis that will ensure a balance in safeguarding all of Israel's crucial interests. We believe that the best way to safeguard the future of the Zionist enterprise is to consolidate an overall Zionist strategy that will take into account the national and historic importance of regions of the homeland, Israel's crucial security interests, the demographic issue, the cohesion of the Jewish public and the Jewish-democratic character of the State of Israel.

What is "extreme" about amny of the above? Unless of course you are so far to the left as to be off the scale or are an anti-semite.

It's about as centre right as the BNP/EDL. So I am not surprised you support it.

One of the 12 Beliefs of John Hagee's organisation:-

Our Commitment to Israel

We believe in the promise of Genesis 12:3 regarding the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. We believe that this is an eternal covenant between God and the seed of Abraham to which God is faithful.

What is anti-semitic about that statement?

Time for t'sam/spam/sham to retract his slandererous accusations.

We are waiting

tspam, you don't do much in your life apart from siting 25/7 at the keyboard and spewing out your stupidity as soon as someone says something intelligent here. But now you are suddenly silent.

I want to see a transcript of the origins of your libelous claim against Minister Hagee.

We are off topic here, so back to it. Congratulations to the new man at the NIF in the UK.
Perhaps he wil take time to look at at some of the extremist NIF polices and try to bring them back from the brink of extremism.

From the NIF web site:-

".....but will support organizations that conform to our grant requirements if their support for BDS is incidental or subsidiary to their significant programs".

Still waiting for a tspam transcript regarding Minister Hagee.

More propaganda from tspam:
"Antisemitism

Hagee blamed American economic problems on the fact that the Federal Reserve System is controlled by "a group of Class A stockholders, including the Rothschilds." In the same series, Hagee further asserted that the Rothschilds, who are Jewish, were part of a wide-ranging conspiracy of "international power brokers based in Europe."

- provide a transcript of his saying this.
LIAR!

WHere did tspam get that previous quote from?

from an anti-Semitic ARAB source:
"Are politicians like prostitutes and pimps?"

http://drhabibsiddiqui.blogspot.com/2010/08/are-politicians-like-prostit...

Check it out for yourselves.

How did he get to that source? Obviously, from the title, he was searching the web for prostitutes and came upon it by chance. Lucky pimp!

Here you go, Avraham, here's him saying it

Brilliant piece of propaganda and manipulation.

What is known more commonly as a "smear campaign", which is 99% of what tspam does here in the JC Blogs.

Practically everything said against Jews/Israel in that piece were said by the people who made that video, NOT by Minister Hagee.

More about them later.

The only statement uttered by Hagee himself that could be open to question was a mention of the Rothschilds, but since he immediately included the Rockefellers as well in the same sentence, even there he can't be accused of anti-Semitism.

Who made the film? A Christian group that is "anti-Christian Right" whose site "Talk To Action" at:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/2/12/122655/088
states openly:

[quote]
There is an endless amount to know. "The Christian right" is a vast field of knowledge - it includes a teeming profusion of groups, theological beliefs, social and political organizations, marketing, media, educational, and financial empires that amount to an entire parallel reality that has been constructed apart from mainstream American culture

and that now seeks to displace the mainstream and dominate our nation.

An entire ecology, a parallel America has sprung up and gained strength over the past several decades while mainstream America was not paying attention.
[unquote]

Hagee is regarded as "the Christian Right", and was therefore the target of this propaganda film.

If anyone still believes them, I have a bridge spanning the Eastern river between Manhattan and Brooklyn, that I can let you have cheap. Offer good for another 10 minutes.

tspam, we still await documentation of your claims that Minister Hagee is "anti-Semitic".

Transcript.

Telegramsam: "Amber only cares about placing Jews on a pedestal and thinking that they should act all the same."

Telegramsam: "any Jew who accepts money from people like that is very sick indeed."

Telegramsam is full of crap.

Let me try and deal with some points raised by various individuals
Jose
You refer to the students who comprise so called "Im Tirzu" as if they were a bunch of good guys who are trying to prevent the "bad guys" namely NIF and the President of NIF Naomi Hazan from undermining the State of Israel and all sorts of other wicked stuff. I recall that they made a huge noise about the NIF funding NGOs that were giving aid to enemies of Israel, and even more specifically providing information by a backdoor route that was then used by the Goldstone Report against Israel. I know you did not mention all these factors because with the passage of time, some of these pronouncements by the "Im Tirzu" people and their allies in the Settler movement and the nationalist right wing in Israel have been embarrassed by one or two things.
First the Establishment in Israel and abroad came fiercely to the defence of both the NIF and particularly Naomi Hazan. To remind you and others who have also posted here, Naomi Hazan was an MK of the Meretz party, she was also Deputy Speaker of the Knesset and had many other achievements which I will not list here but you can easily find for yourself through Google. She is a full Professor in her own right and has an international reputation, so it is somewhat ironic that the right wingers should want to stifle her activities by smearing her good name. Maybe this was OK because she did not agree with their point of view, and the ends justify the means.
Secondly there hav ben recent reports some of which were in the JC and Ha'aretz such as have ben posted in the JC Blog e.g. the account of how a Sergeant in the Israeli army shot and killed an unarmed Palestinian woman in Gaza during operation Castlead, even though she was waving a white flag and had been ordered to lie on the floor by Israeli soldiers. It also transpired that the report of this incident was suppressed and did not reach the army authority (this aspect is still under investigation and may result in further disciplinary action).
When this incident was included in the Goldstone Report everyone, his uncle and the dog spot, in Israel and the right wing Zionist movement, objected strongly to how this was an antisemitic attack, anti-Israel, anti-Zionist etc, but how unfortunate that there was actually some truth in it?
Reiss
You also seem to harbour double standards. When a donor from the Christian Zionist movement funds something you are happy with, that's Kosher. However, when a Jewish donor from the UK namely Mr Davis from the UJIA funds something that your lot don't like so much, then you look down your nose at him and make some really rude remarks about his not having any right to comment on the actions of the israeli Government or what is happening in the middle east.
Mr Cohen
You state that Hagee raised $48 million for charity in Israel including planting trees, but you are aware of the saying there is no such thing as a free lunch. Why do you think that Christian righ-twingers raise money for Zionism? Don't they have good causes of their own within the Christian world? Is it anything to do with evangelical work? Is it anything to do with the Christian belief that the Messiah (Jesus Christ in their faith) will return after all the Jews have been gathered in to Zion? Logically by assisting the Jews in this mission, they hasten the second coming of Jesus Christ.
telegramsam
Clearly Reiss does not believe in the maxim" when you are in a hole stop digging". Consistently he challenges you to come up with such and such evidence and very shortly afterwards he himself publishes some of the evidence!

tspam: " And any Jew who accepts money from people like that is very sick indeed."

- you do not sound like the kind of person who would refuse money from ANYBODY. Someone who spreads propaganda from sites about Arabs and prostitutes, isn't exactly an exemplar of moral fortitude - "terpitude" springs more easily to mind.

I know, Yehuda. I just let them froth at the mouth and show how pathetic and ridiculous they look.

Erdman: You accuse me of "double standards" - you don't even have a single standard. You very conveniently and euqally dishonestly ignore the fact that Minister Hagee is a Christian,and thus has no moral or other obligation towards the State of Israel. Neither does he attach 'strings' to his donations.

This Davis person is a Jew, who obviously thinks he can buy the right to tell us what to do here in Israel. He can't, BUT as a Jew he does have minimal obligations towards his fellow Jews, the first being not to harm other Jews. YOUR meretz opinions have been judged by 95% of the Israeli public as damaging to Israel, as demonstrated at elections.

Minister Hagee has every right to say what he likes to his congregation. Davis has NO right to tell Israel what to do.

As I said, Yehuda. Frothing at the mouth, especially when found out.

tspam still has no proof of his libelous claims. LIAR.

He is condemned by his own words regarding Hitler and the Rotschilds. But you know what, Avraham, you just keep on keeping on. Any more digging and you'll fall out at Shanghai

PS, any word yet from your ayatollah, Ovadia? Now that he has finished with Amsalem, he has plenty of time on his hands to tell Mullah Eli Yishai to bar from Israel the JC staff and those at the ZF, UJIA, and Board

Av, we are still waiting for word from your ayatollah, Ovadia? He has plenty of time on his hands to tell Mullah Eli Yishai to bar from Israel the JC staff and those at the ZF, UJIA and Board