A rose by any other name


By telegramsam
October 14, 2010
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Mahmoud Abbas has made it clear that the Israelis can call themselves whatever they want.

"If the Israelis want to call themselves any name, they should address the international community and the United Nations because this is none of our business," Abbas told reporters after meeting with the President of Finland, Tarja Halonen, in Ramallah.
Abbas pointed out that the PLO had recognized Israel when the Oslo Accords were signed in 1993. "Our position is that we recognize Israel," he said. "We fully believe in the two-state solution – a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders and the state of Israel, living next to each other in peace and security. This is the best option for both pe
"We must focus on hope and not failure," he declared. The PA president said that the Arab leaders who met in Libya earlier this month agreed to give the US one month to find a solution to the problem of settlement construction.

He said the Palestinians were ready to return to the direct talks as soon as Israel extends the moratorium on settlement construction. "We are ready to start the talks with the issues of borders and security," he continued. "We remain committed to the option of peace and there's no way back from it."

Nu, Bibi, the ball's back in your court. Seems the Palestinians have learned about never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

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clevenson

15 October, 2010 - 07:17

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pretty clear really but not of course for the Israeli government.


Advis3r

15 October, 2010 - 12:34

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More delusion from the PLO/Hamas supporters club. Israel provided a ten month moratorium on building within existing settlements. This had not been offered by any previous Israeli Government in negotiations with the Arabs, even in Arafat's day. The Arabs despite this offer have to be dragged screaming and shouting to the talks by the Americans just a matter of weeks before that moratorium is to end - tell me who is to blame for the failure of the talks proceeding. A gross piece of mismanagement by the US which played right into the Arabs' hands. Of what possible use would Israel offering a further moratorium be other than to allow the Arabs to prevaricate even more. If they are truly interested in peace Israel building housing units in places which have not are clearly will not be included in any negoations should not be a reason for calling off the talks - but we all know so far as you are concerned unless Israel commits suicide there will not be peace in the Middle East, just admit it so we can at least have an honest debate.


telegramsam

15 October, 2010 - 12:57

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Advis3r, I am afraid you have reminded me of a long-winded joke about three intelligence agencies competing to find a bear in the woods. To cut a long story short, after the CIA and KGB failed, the Mossad agents were found hitting a trussed-up goat, demanding that he admit to being a bear.
One can support Israel and its right to be a Jewish state/state of the Jewish people/homeland of the Jewish people without supporting the settlement project.
In fact, I would venture that true support of Israel hinges on ensuring that it remains a Jewish state/state of the Jewish people/homeland of the Jewish people by having a Jewish majority. And as Ari Shavit -- no leftist he -- says in Haaretz while explaining why Israel is right to demand recognition as a Jewish state:

A codicil: The demand that Israel be recognized as a Jewish state cannot be made without maintaining a true commitment to Israel as a democracy. The demand cannot be made for recognition of a rational state represented by Avigdor Lieberman. Without ensuring the full and equal rights of non-Jews in Israel, the Jewish nation-state will not stand

It was indeed noble of Netanyahu to have a 10-month moratorium on the building of housing in new settlements (public buildings were exempt, I believe). And the need for a moratorium was clear, since Israel had been negotiating while unilaterally cutting the amount of area needed for the Palestinian state (which even the Likud now supports). So it was a question of showing good faith. perhaps some areas will be part of Israel once the borders are determined. But surely it is down to the negotiators to decide where those borders lie, rather than taking unilateral acts which only muddy the waters?
It is all very well to accuse the Americans of gross mismanagement when they don't agree to everything Israel does.
Say hello to Avraham, by the way.


Advis3r

16 October, 2010 - 17:23

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Only problem with what you say telegramsham is that future building is slated for within existing communities and not by extension of their boundaries - so the argument about reducing so-called "Palestinian" land is a non sequitur. This was gross American mismanagement because the talks should have been scheduled as soon as the moratorium was announced by not doing so Obama allowed the Arabs to control the agenda which as usual they are doing quite nicely. So that core issues like the disarming and dismantling of terrorist organisations and the end of incitement of the Arab population are simply not even discussed and the lawful building of houses by Jews on land which was legally awarded to them in 1922 becomes the issue.
Sorry do not quite understand your last sentence.


telegramsam

16 October, 2010 - 17:40

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Perhaps, avraham, oops sorry adviser. But the issue is that israel maintains that no unilateral
steps should be taken to prejudice the talks / which Is quite right - but then it takes unilateral steps itself.

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