A lesson for us all?

I quote:

"Why on earth would anyone want to go up against a sick and pathetic individual like yourself. I'm surprised with that fevered "mind" of yours that you haven't run of to your stuermer-like website to commune with your antisemitic friends Hagee and Robertson.
You have no "facts" to "tear apart", only hatred, bile and misplaced sense of being superior. You's look good in a black shirt with a death's head badge."

http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/if-i-was-a-methodist-i-would-refer-you-new...

Yes, telegramsam has a lot to teach people about love and brotherhood!

Perhaps, Matt, it was that post that broke the camel's back for me. I went over the top, embarrassingly so. So I have decided to row back on that. If others cannot be polite and respectful, that's their problem. I will endeavour to be, although being human, I suppose I too will get angry every so often.

Well then in that case telegramsam I think you should make a separate blog post apologising for being so rude and obnoxious for the past 3 months. Particularly towards Jonathan Hoffman and others.

Then we can start with a clean slate and I will engage with you as a "human being" and not just some very rude words on my computer screen.

Matt, with respect, Jonathan knows full well why certain people, myself included, have been rude and obnoxious towards him. He needs to change his ways. But in the meantime, I will endeavour to be respectful and polite towards him, Avraham and the other baiters, irrespective of their behaviour.

Just to clarify, when I wrote "certain people", I don't just mean bloggers here, but people in the wider Jewish community.

So no apology to Jonathan then for hounding him over the last three months, attacking his reputation, lying about what he has said etc? Or are you going to deny having done such things, even though you and I both know this has been a deliberate strategy (for whatever reason)?

I don't believe a word that you write. Whoever or whatever you are. You're a liar, and you are no friend of Israel or Jews.

"Telegramsam"'s reputation here is well and truly trashed. If you want to change your tactics I suggest you create a new account.

Such is tspam's logic. I won't be rude - unless I think they deserve it and "need" to change.

Well, we've got that sorted.

Your bullying against Jonathan have been despicable to witness.

Jonathan brought this upon himself. As the rabbi said, it is he who has to show "the humility, courage and strength of character to make the first move". He does that, I'll apologise for being rude to him and attacking his reputation. I haven't lied about what he said.
In the meantime, I will endeavour to respond to his baseless hatred with baseless love, irrespective of the baiting.

Dear Amber, I merely responded to bullying by answering back. That's what you do to bullies. You stand up to them. And as you are aware, Jews do not show the other cheek. However, in future, I will endeavour to attack Jonathan's politics, without resorting to his personality, irrespective of attempted baiting.

tspam, it is you who is the bully. Jonathan did not target you. Every time he appears he is met with an avalanche of visceral hatred from you. How contemptible that you try to paint yourself as the victim. And how typical as well. He tries to defend Israel from the likes of antisemites and haters, whilst you join in with them - and al the while pretending that your endless attacks are some kind of medicine.

Dear Amber, again and with respect, we will have to agree to differ.

Amber: It just makes you want to throw up doesn't it? Shocking.

Telegramsam: I think you have two choices:

1) The coward's choice (probably best suited to you): Change your account name and come back as the new improved "nice" telegramsam. We'll be none the wiser. Continue your sad little mind games with your new tactics.

Or

2) Post an apology to Jonathan for defaming him and carry on posting under this handle. I can't speak for others but if you do that I will be willing to give you a second chance.

As I see it those are your only two options. The regulars on these blogs are not fooled by you so it's your choice really.

If, tspam, differing means that you will continue your campaign of vilification and bullying against Jonathan (did he wrong you in a past life?), you are right - we differ greatly.

Matt, well said! Those are the two choices.

It's up to you telegramsam.

Matt and Amber, there are always more options. I will not be fraudulent and open another account. I'll leave that to others. That's just playing games and I am not playing games. I will continue posting under this name. I will try to do so respectfully and politely even in the face of baiting. I will apologise to Jonathan for being rude, obnoxious and for attacking him when he apologises to me for the name-calling, rudeness etc.

Why should he apologise to you? He has nothing to gain even if he had done something wrong towards you, which he has not. Jonathan is a hero to the pro-Israel community in Britain. What are you? You are a nobody. You don't exist. You're just a stupid pseudonym and pixels on my computer screen, and not very nice ones at that.

It's you that has something to gain by apologising - a fresh start (maybe).

Just do it, or get lost.

tspam:
"Perhaps, Matt, it was that post that broke the camel's back for me. I went over the top, embarrassingly so."

You just made my day.

As for the "brotherly love" post which opened this thread, you are not my brother, you are my enemy; you spend most of your free time thinking of new ways to denigrate, vilify and harm the State of Israel and its inhabitants; this portrays you as a sick and obsessive person with whom I want no "brotherly love".

"But in the meantime, I will endeavour to be respectful and polite towards him, Avraham and the other baiters, irrespective of their behaviour."

- someone who can write "You's look good in a black shirt with a death's head badge" is something to be trodden on, not accepted back into civilsed society.

You will revert to your usual vile form within a few days, whatever you promise now, uglifying every post into which you inject your opinions.

Like the scorpion sitting on the back of the tortoise crossing a river, who suddenly stung the tortoise and both began to drown, the scorpion gasped "I can't help it: it's my nature".

Matt: you excelled yourself this time! As I say when I order my steak: well done! :-)

Matt, one word - brilliant!

Sorry Matt, but I am afraid that Jonathan as a leader has to show humility, courage and strength of character by apologising.
I will not stop posting here. Under my own handle. I will try to continue to be polite, irrespective of the hatred and baiting.

Avraham, my dear brother, I am so sorry but you are wrong. I hope to disappoint you further by keeping to my self-imposed politeness.

Hey, tspam: regarding my previous post from a few minutes ago: I'm waiting for you to doff your cap, bow, touch your forlock and say meekly: "yes, sir!".

That's more or less what you've just promised to do ...

Avraham, as a scholar of Judaism, you are no doubt aware that Jews do not doff caps, bow or touch forelocks other than to the King of Kings. Are you He? (And anyway, I don't have a forelock to touch, having gone bald).

"Avraham, as a scholar of Judaism, you are no doubt aware that Jews do not doff caps"

- yeah, but the remark was addressed to you. Anyway, you have to wear one to doff it.

Avraham, again I am sorry to disappoint you, but I have a lovely collection of caps -- mainly baseball caps and a couple of woolly ones for football, as well as one of those thermal ones for running. Oh and a selection of kippot, knitted as well as velvet, suede (with a THFC motif) and leather.

I'm not interested in exchanging pleasantries with a vile anti-Semite. Within a couple of days you'll be back to your "normal" self.

Avraham, my dear brother, I am afraid I will have to disappoint you. In the meantime, I am off to White Hart Lane, but I promise, bli neder, to be back later. Kol tuv, achi

Hypocrites to hypocrites: "Love thy neighbour" !

ROTFL !