He’s turned the screen Scarlett after a long and alien journey
INTERVIEW: JONATHAN GLAZER
Jonathan Glazer on set
Jonathan Glazer is not a man in a hurry. It has been 10 years since his last movie, Birth — a discomfiting love story between Nicole Kidman and a child claiming to be her reincarnated husband. Now, finally, he has a new film. Like its predecessor, Under the Skin is dividing audiences. Birth was enthusiastically booed at the Venice Film Festival and Under the Skin also received a raucous reception there, in this case with the boos interspersed with cheers. However, many critics adore his story of an alien woman, played by Scarlett Johansson, who arrives in Scotland in human form to lure young male victims into a honey-trap.
Any Glazer project is likely to be wildly creative. He made his name making music videos and adverts including the famous Surfer commercial for Guinness, before branching into film with 2000’s Sexy Beast, starring Ray Winstone and Ben Kingsley.
When it comes to movies, that creativity clearly has a long fuse. Sucking hard on an e-cigarette in his publicist’s office, his mop of hair making him seem uncannily youthful for a man in his late 40s, Glazer reflects on the seemingly glacial progress of Under the Skin. “I first read the book 12 years ago and really liked it,” he recalls. “It was an odd story but I really connected to it. I started work on writing an adaptation which was much closer to the book than the final version is.
“Eventually, I decided to take what I thought was fundamentally interesting from the book — the parts involving Scarlett’s character. It’s a gift for a director to portray the world through the eyes of someone who is essentially seeing it for the first time. But it’s an incredibly difficult thing to show. That’s why it took the time it did to find the visual language.”
Johansson has also been orbiting the project for a long time. She read a first draft of the script several years ago. Although interested, nothing came of it until Glazer pared down the story and re-wrote the script. Then came the moment of epiphany. “For quite a while, I hadn’t decided 100 per cent that she’d be in the film and she hadn’t decided whether she wanted to be in it. When the final script was ready, I sent it to her and that’s when the conversation became serious. There was one phone call in which it became obvious that we were going to do the film together. It was as if she and I had just read the same book and we were both talking really enthusiastically about it.”
It was a brave decision by Johansson for this is no Hollywood star vehicle. She has very little dialogue, many of the scenes are improvised and involve people who do not even realise they are being filmed. There are also nude scenes. “I told her all the things it would involve because I had to be sure that she’d be up for that before we started shooting it.
“There’s a long history of great American film stars coming to England and working with directors who are not necessarily making films in the same way that they would be in the States. Some really great performances and films have come from that intersection between the Hollywood star and a very left-field story and sensibility.”
Scarlett Johansson in Under the Skin
Much of the film takes place in the white van which Johansson’s character, disguised in a black wig, uses to hunt down victims. Glazer decided that it would be a good idea to do some of the scenes for real. So with hidden cameras in the dashboard, the actress would stop the van to ask Glaswegians if they would like a lift. Some of these encounters made the final cut. “I was sitting in the back of the van with the cameraman, two or three other people and all the sound and recording equipment while she was driving us around. She is like a lion in the Serengeti looking at the wildebeest, waiting for the stragglers.” We are not told why she is hunting or indeed anything about her mission. Glazer thinks this is important. “You want her to remain inscrutable. We wanted her to be as much of a mystery at the end of the film as she was at the start. But what we recognise in her is what she has learnt of us. She begins to believe what she is looking at in the mirror is who she actually is.”
Glazer is fairly sure that his creativity was not something that was encouraged during his days at JFS in Camden. However, he does credit the school with his “love affair” with Israel, which was sparked by his participation in the Givat Washington scheme in which small groups of pupils spent five months in an Israeli religious boarding school. So did he chat to Johansson about Jewish stuff? “Her mother is Jewish, her dad isn’t. We spoke a little about that. She’s very proud of her Jewishness and I guess we connected on that level.”
After JFS, Glazer went to art school because drawing was, he says, the only thing he was good at. He did not have a burning desire to be a director until he started to shoot music videos for friends’ bands. “Everything I know I more or less taught myself. My first job was making film trailers. I’d be sitting in a room with all this footage trying to understand how things cut together depending on the context. That was a big part of my education.”
He still makes ads and music videos — he filmed several during the time Under the Skin was in gestation — but feels a little disillusioned with the advertising industry, believing fear is stifling creativity. Whether in advertising or in movies, he has to identify strongly with what he is doing. “I’m not the kind of director who has 10 projects on the go to see which one works out. It feels more like music to me — I have this idea for an album and I want to make it. If I do something, I have to do it well and sometimes that takes a little time.”